H.B. Charles, the energetic pastor of Shiloh Baptist Church, and John Curry, a pastoral theology professor at Westminster Theological Seminary, discuss the essence of leadership. They explore the importance of resilience, servant-hearted approaches, and the evolution of influence in ministry. The duo highlights how personal experiences and biblical principles can transform a pastor's impact in modern culture. Their insights emphasize genuine connections, grounded preaching, and the vital link between leadership and community relationships.