John Bryant, an author and person with personal experience of OCD, joins Matt and Alastair on this podcast. They discuss the challenges of describing mental illness and the importance of gospel words and hope in navigating it. They explore how scripture shapes one's trust and attention, and the significance of revelation in their spiritual journey. They also delve into the experience of OCD, the healing process for trauma, and the importance of treating the body and mind gently. Finally, they emphasize the need for kindness, respect, and companionship for those with mental illness.