Joel Johnson, an automotive CEO advisor, joins the conversation as Alex and Ed debate the recent Tesla Cybercab reveal. They discuss whether the event was more spectacle than substantial innovation. Johnson brings insights into the CyberCab's design and market potential, questioning its functionality. The trio also tackles the hurdles of developing true autonomy, plus the implications of federal scrutiny on Tesla's identity. They reflect on the narratives shaping public perception of autonomous vehicles, emphasizing the challenge of trust in this evolving industry.