Joel Berry, managing editor of the Babylon Bee, champions Christian conservative ideals, while Auron McIntyre, a Blaze TV host, critiques the conservative movement from a post-liberal perspective. They delve into the MAGA civil war, exploring shared grievances and the future of the Constitution. Joel warns against accelerationist strategies, advocating for spiritual revival, while Auron emphasizes elite political fixes. The conversation touches on youth engagement with populism, the appeal of figures like Nick Fuentes, and the implications of labeling in today's polarized climate.