Joe Tucker, a television scriptwriter and author of The Secret Painter, shares the poignant story of his uncle, Eric Tucker, whose secret talent for painting went unrecognized during his lifetime. They discuss why Eric chose to create in solitude, reflecting on hidden artistry and the emotional weight of posthumous recognition. Kathryn Hughes joins in to explore the struggles of working-class artists and the barriers they face in the art world, revealing insights into creativity without an audience and the complexities of legacy.