
Joe Patrice
Senior writer and host at Above the Law who leads the Thinking Like a Lawyer podcast, covering legal news, Supreme Court developments, and law firm culture.
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Jan 23, 2025 • 56min
01/17/2025: Tom Goldstein case, Harvey's mysterious $3B valuation, and more
Join Joe Patrice, a legal journalist and host of Thinking Like a Lawyer, Stephen Embry, a tech law writer and co-chair of the ABA 2025 Tech Show, and Niki Black, a legal tech columnist, as they dive into hot topics like the Tom Goldstein case involving serious allegations and ethical implications in legal technology. They also share insights from CES 2025, discuss AI layoffs in New York, and unpack Harvey's controversial $3 billion valuation, questioning its sustainability amidst fierce competition.

May 1, 2025 • 59min
04/25/25: CA Bar used AI for exam questions, Trump calls for AI education, and more
Joe Patrice, a legal tech journalist from Above the Law, joins Julie Shabawale, a prominent Canadian legal tech writer, and Victor Li, assistant manager for the EBA Journal. They dive into the California Bar's controversial use of AI for exam questions, raising ethical questions about integrity. Trump’s call for AI education sparks a lively discussion on its role in schools. They also explore trends in legal employment and the paradox of AI as both a tool for assistance and a potential source of job displacement, highlighting the evolving landscape of law.

Oct 9, 2025 • 59min
10/03/2025: Reddit vs. Harvey, Utah approves skills-based bar admission, and more
Rhys Dipshan, a legal tech reporter, dives into the Reddit firestorm surrounding Harvey and generative AI, discussing its secrecy and backlash. Niki Black analyzes how AI is reshaping legal work, while Stephanie Wilkins highlights a trend of law schools requiring AI in applications. Caroline Hill offers insights into Utah's new skills-based bar admission, comparing it to the UK's SQE, and Joe Patrice debates AI's potential to redefine paralegal roles rather than replace them. The panel also touches on the AAA's upcoming AI-powered arbitrator for construction disputes.

Sep 4, 2025 • 58min
08/22/25: AffiniPay rebrands as 8am, the reality of Agentic AI in legal tech, and more
This week, Jeff Grant, Editor of the Pinhawk Law Technology Digest, Niki Black, Principal legal insight strategist at 8am, and Joe Patrice from Above the Law discuss hot topics in legal tech. They unpack the rebranding of AffiniPay to 8am and its implications for efficiency. The conversation dives into Agentic AI's challenges and the need for clear terminology. They also examine a notable court case showcasing judges’ compassion in ethics and unpack the security risks of on-premises versus cloud solutions, emphasizing a shift towards safer tech practices.

May 16, 2025 • 59min
05/09/25: CA sues vendor after troubled bar exam, dead guy's deep fake speaks at sentencing, & more
Niki Black, a principal legal insight strategist at Affinapay and writer for legal tech publications, joins Joe Patrice from Above the Law and Stephen Embry of Tech Law Crossroads. They tackle fascinating topics including the ethical quandaries of AI-generated deep fakes used during sentencing, the troubling California state bar exam saga, and whether AI should lower legal fees. The trio also discusses the competitive landscape in legal research with Decisis gaining ground. Tune in for sharp insights and lively debates on the evolving landscape of legal technology!

May 8, 2025 • 59min
05/02/25: My Pillow guy's pantsless lawyer back in news, Supio's $60M investment, and more
Nikki Black, a legal tech strategist, Caroline Hill, editor-in-chief at Legal IT Insider, Steve Embry of Tech Law Crossroads, and Joe Patrice from Above the Law engage in a lively discussion. They delve into a lawyer's bizarre antics while representing the My Pillow Guy and the implications of AI in legal education. The panel also explores the recent $60M funding for Supio, discussing AI's growing influence on law practice and the challenges of transitioning to remote work in law firms. Expect insights sprinkled with humor and personal experiences!

Feb 27, 2025 • 57min
02/21/25: Trump cancels SEC's Westlaw subscription, Deposely offers free AI litigation tool, & more
Join legal tech experts Joe Patrice, a writer for Above the Law, and Stephanie Wilkins, director at Legal Tech Hub, as they dive into the SEC's controversial Westlaw cancellation and its political undertones. Stephen Embry shares insights on KPMG's foray into legal services, while Niki Black discusses evolving ethical frameworks around AI in law firms. The panel lightens the mood with humorous analogies around Jell-O to promote innovation, and they highlight the launch of Deposely's free AI litigation tool aimed at making legal resources more accessible.

Feb 18, 2025 • 60min
02/14/25: LexisNexis parent co. invests in competitor Harvey, DOGE cybersecurity nightmare, & more
Nikki Black, a Principal Legal Insight Strategist at Affinipay, Joe Patrice, a seasoned legal journalist at Above the Law, and Steve Embry, a legal technology blogger, dive into the latest happenings in legal tech. They discuss a federal judge's ruling on ROSS’s copyright issues, the massive $300M funding for Harvey, and the AI misuse scandal of a top law firm. The conversation turns to a cybersecurity nightmare linked to DOGE, raising alarms for the DOJ. Tune in for insightful commentary on the intersection of innovation and ethics in the legal landscape!

Feb 13, 2025 • 58min
02/07/25: Women + AI summit, our experiments with OpenAI Deep Research, and more
In this engaging discussion, Stephanie Wilkins shares insights from the Women + AI Summit, emphasizing community empowerment in legal tech. Niki Black highlights the shifting landscape of access to justice amid funding freezes and crowdfunding initiatives. Joe Patrice cautions against neglecting citation checks when using AI tools like ChatGPT. Stephen Embry explores Microsoft and OpenAI's recent product rollouts, pondering their impact on court systems. Together, the panelists navigate the ethical implications and innovative potential of AI in law.

Jan 16, 2025 • 53min
01/10/2025: KPMG seeks alt. business license, AI fails in federal court complaint, and more
This week features Joe Patrice, a legal journalist at Above the Law, known for his sharp insights on legal tech; Nikki Black, a principal legal insight strategist at Affinapay, who contributes to industry publications; and Victor Li, assistant managing editor at the ABA Journal, famed for his commentary on legal trends. They tackle the failings of courtroom VR and KPMG's move towards alternative business licenses, discussing its impact on the legal landscape. They also deliberate on AI's role in legal document creation, highlighting both advancements and disappointing outcomes.


