In this discussion, Jody Azzouni, a philosophy professor at Tufts University and a proponent of nominalism, dives into the intriguing nature of reality. He explores whether abstract objects like numbers are truly 'real' or simply useful labels. The conversation delves into the nuances of existence, comparing fictional entities to tangible ones, while also critiquing the traditional Greek models of mathematical proof. Azzouni emphasizes how language shapes our perception of reality, inviting listeners to rethink what we define as 'real'.