Virginia Postrel and Jim Pethokoukis discuss the future, economics, progress, and science fiction. They explore the importance of preserving the American liberal heritage and shaping a better future. They reflect on mid-century visions of the future and the need for practical problem-solving approaches. They also discuss societal fears, the connection between economic growth and individuals, and the impact of technology on relationships. The implications of OpenAI's chat GPT release and America's technological future are explored as well.

Jim Pethokoukis, author of 'The Conservative Futurist', talks about the unfulfilled promises of the 1960s space race, the role of media in shaping attitudes towards the future, and the need for an up-wing culture focused on innovation and progress.