In this engaging conversation, Dr. Jim Paul, the Director of English L'Abri and author on the concept of heaven, argues that heaven is not just an afterlife but present in our daily lives. He shares a personal flight anecdote that deepens our understanding of the afterlife and suggests that we must blend heavenly values with earthly actions. Dr. Paul challenges traditional views on dualism, advocating for a unified perspective that connects spirit and matter, and emphasizes the importance of actively creating a heaven on earth through love and beauty.