Doug Parker, former OSHA administrator, and Jim Frederick, an OSHA leadership team member, share their insights on occupational safety and health. They reflect on their achievements and challenges at OSHA, especially during the COVID-19 pandemic. The duo discusses the importance of proactive safety measures, building trust within the organization, and adapting leadership strategies in crisis. They emphasize collaborative governance as a key to improving workplace safety, highlighting a shift from compliance to a more capacity-focused approach in the safety landscape.