In a fiery debate, Kyle Samani, co-founder of Multicoin Capital, and Max Resnick from ConsenSys clash with David Hoffman and Jill Gunter of Espresso Systems. They discuss whether Layer 2 solutions are true extensions of Ethereum or parasitic entities. The conversation dives into interoperability standards and how L2s affect Ethereum's value proposition and economic dynamics. The guests also explore the competition between Ethereum and Solana, weighing the sustainability and future of these scaling methods for decentralized finance.