Eliza Mondegreen and Jessie Mannisto discuss our culture's obsession with normalizing the pathological and pathologizing the normal. Topics include positive disintegration, trans identity, finding community, Robert F. Kennedy's character, Jim Henson as a teenage role model, documenting the Great Depression, muck-raking journalism, dynamics and fault lines among different groups, and controversy surrounding gender.

The podcast discusses the importance of intellectual humility in journalism, race discussions, and politics. It explores challenges in reconciling science and religion, navigating media biases, and embracing diverse perspectives for personal and professional growth. The conversation emphasizes the value of humility in fostering understanding, empathy, and trust in complex societal and racial discourses.