Lou Skoda, a seasoned cartographer with 50 years of expertise, joins Jesse Gordon, manager of technical services for the Namgis First Nation. They discuss the fascinating subjectivity of maps, revealing how they reflect cultural narratives and biases. From the Gulf of Mexico controversy to garbage management systems, the conversation explores the evolution of cartography, blending art and science. Skoda's innovative population mapping techniques challenge traditional views, highlighting maps as both navigational tools and representations of reality.