In this lively discussion, Gordon Brander, a tech innovator, and Peter van Hardenberg, a software expert, join host Jess Martin to debate apps versus files. They explore the complexities of data ownership and the collaboration benefits of apps. The trio dives into historical perspectives and innovative solutions, including decentralized tools like Subconscious. They also tackle the future of file management, security challenges, and the importance of user control in a rapidly evolving digital landscape.