Jerry Coyne, an Emeritus Professor of Ecology and Evolution at the University of Chicago, discusses the bill passed to bar transgender women from competing in women’s sports, asserting the biological definitions of sex. Brianna Wu, Executive Director of Rebellion Pac, counters with a progressive perspective on trans rights. The conversation dives into the complex balance between scientific views and evolving gender ideologies, emphasizing the need for dialogue around the implications of these policies on both transgender individuals and biological women.