Jero Nima, an expert in critical minerals in Southeast Asia, and Putra Adhiguna, managing director at the Energy Shift Institute, delve into the intricate ties between Indonesia's vast nickel industry and global power dynamics. They explore how U.S. policies impact Indonesian nickel exports, particularly in light of China's dominant smelting role. The discussion highlights the urgent need for ethical resource governance, international collaboration for EV demand, and Indonesia's pivotal role in navigating these geopolitical challenges.