Jeremy Slager, a guest speaker known for his insights on church growth and community, joins in a captivating discussion about modern church dynamics. They critique the 'big evangelical machine' and its neglect of true discipleship, emphasizing genuine growth over mere numbers. The influence of Dallas Willard’s teachings is explored, particularly in the context of trauma and spiritual development. They also advocate for nurturing community amidst consumer culture, transforming shame through healthy communication, and addressing narcissism within leadership for deeper relational engagement.