Jeramie Rinne, senior pastor at Sanibel Community Church and author of *Church Elders*, dives deep into the complexities of pastoral leadership. He shares insights from his faith journey, emphasizing the need for discernment in selecting church elders. The discussion tackles navigating pastoral care in crises and the transforming power of prayer within communities. Rinne's experiences from Boston to the Middle East provide a rich background for understanding cultural dynamics in ministry. He wraps it up with a humorous take on favorite preachers and their influence on faith.

Jonathan Leeman interviews Jeramie Rinne about the character and job description of an elder. They discuss the importance of a biblical understanding of eldership, lay elders in the church, leading one's family well, elders smelling like sheep, and the authority of lay elders in the church.