Jenny Holland, a journalist focused on Irish and Catholic social issues, and Frank Walker, operator of the Canon212 news outlet, dive into the alarming decline of Catholic practice in Ireland, marked by plummeting Mass attendance. They tackle the ramifications of clergy scandals, including shocking allegations against Father Neil Doherty, and systemic cover-ups within the Church. Holland also discusses how secular thinkers like Charles Murray are reevaluating the role of religion, adding to the discourse on belief in contemporary society.