Jon Ronson, an insightful author and journalist, joins Jenessa, a knowledgeable figure in research integrity discussions. They dive into the bizarre controversy over a study linked to Judy Mikovits, addressing why she alone had access to a questionable cell line. The pair explore the ethical implications of scientific misconduct and the chaotic fallout from the incident. They also discuss the importance of accountability in research and the media's role in disseminating accurate information amidst a sea of misinformation.