In this episode, Jeffrey McDonnell, a hydrology professor and author, and Sarah Robinson, a human resource management expert, share their insights on navigating academia. They discuss the critical role of grit, balancing teaching and research, and the importance of defining success personally. McDonnell emphasizes strategies like short-term planning and mentoring, while Robinson highlights spotting burnout signs and embracing curiosity. Their conversation unveils how unconventional career paths and self-care can lead to fulfillment in the often challenging academic landscape.