In this engaging discussion, Shalini Satkunanandan, a political theorist at UC Davis, and Jeff Church, a political science professor at the University of Houston, delve into Nietzsche's philosophy as a remedy for political polarization. They introduce the idea of 'passing by' to promote thoughtful engagement rather than heated conflicts. By exploring Zarathustra's journey, they highlight the importance of grounding values in reality and the need for creative, constructive responses over vengeful ones. Their insights offer a refreshing perspective on fostering better dialogue in today's divisive climate.