Jay Griffiths, an acclaimed author known for her powerful works on nature and activism, joins Martin Shaw for a captivating conversation. They reminisce about the solitude of lockdown and how melancholy can lead us to greater compassion. Griffiths shares insights from her new book, exploring creativity birthed from personal adversity. They discuss the importance of rebellion against climate apathy, and embark on a whimsical journey through storytelling, revealing the humor and magic found in unexpected places.