In this conversation, Jason van Tatenhove, an expert on extremist groups, shares his firsthand experiences with the Oath Keepers, linking their origins to significant events like the Bundy Ranch standoff and the January 6 insurrection. He discusses how emotional appeals in politics fuel extremist factions and reflects on the ideological clashes within groups such as the Proud Boys. Van Tatenhove explores whether storytelling can bridge societal divides and the dangers posed by the growing radicalization of far-right movements.