Fred Bauma, a leading voice from Kinshasa’s Ebuteli Research Institute, Jason Stearns, an expert on Congolese conflict, and journalist Michela Wrong dive deep into Rwanda's controversial involvement in the DRC. They discuss the alarming capture of Goma by M23 rebels and the historical ties between the two countries. The trio addresses the external influences complicating the situation, the Congolese military's readiness, and the importance of national identity amidst a backdrop of international indifference. This conversation sheds light on a complex regional crisis.