Jason Bahbak Mohaghegh, an author who delves into themes of darkness and the occult, joins the hosts for a captivating discussion on the complexities and perceptions of evil. They explore the dual nature of lullabies as both soothing and sinister, the intricate ties between evil and intelligence in literature and AI, and the evolution of horror cinema from clear-cut monsters to existential fears. The conversation challenges traditional notions of evil, shedding light on its contextual variations and moral implications in contemporary society.