Jarrod Leak, CEO of the Australian Alliance for Energy Productivity, discusses how industries can transition away from gas without sacrificing prosperity. He reveals the alternatives to fossil fuels, focusing on enhancing energy productivity and innovative electrification strategies. The episode also highlights the integration of solar energy in manufacturing, citing a pet food factory aiming to slash gas use by 50%. Additionally, Leak critiques energy forecasts and the political landscape in Queensland, emphasizing the urgent need for decarbonization.