Jared Kaplan, co-founder and chief scientist of Anthropic, discusses the potential arrival of human-level AI in just 2-3 years, much sooner than expected. He highlights how Claude's reasoning capabilities are evolving, allowing AI to tackle complex tasks efficiently. Kaplan emphasizes the importance of constitutional AI and interpretability to ensure safety as models grow more powerful. The conversation also touches on the competitive landscape of AI development between the U.S. and China, and the ethical considerations essential for harnessing AI responsibly.