Janice Turner, a Times columnist known for her incisive interviews, joins the discussion to share her insights on Kemi Badenoch. They explore Badenoch's challenging upbringing in Nigeria and how it shaped her political identity. Topics include Badenoch's unique leadership style, her communication strengths, and the potential for her to reinvigorate the Conservative Party amidst rising competition from Labour and Reform. The conversation addresses both the challenges she faces and her vision for the party's future.

Columnist Janice Turner and pollster Joe Twyman discuss the appeal of the Green Party to disaffected voters, using fruit analogies and analyzing the party's diversity and growing support. They delve into the complexities of Green Party politics, including controversies and predictions for upcoming elections. The podcast explores the rise of the Greens in the UK elections and their potential impact on electoral reform.