Tripp, a commentator with firsthand experience from the Mars Hill era, discusses the triumphs and shortcomings of evangelical movements. James Wellman Jr., an expert on megachurches, explores their sociological impacts and the risks of celebrity culture. Cale, alongside his mother, reflects on the transformative effects of Vatican II on Catholic liturgy and moral teachings. The conversation delves into discipleship challenges, the pitfalls of seeker-sensitive models, and how both Protestant and Catholic traditions are adapting in an ever-changing societal landscape.