James Pearson, an experienced climber, discusses the community kickback he faced for pushing trad climbing and how he learned from the experience. Topics include the challenges of inflated grading, the importance of enjoying climbing, the appeal and risks of bold trad climbing routes, and the investment and rewards of climbing Bon Voyage.

Listen to a captivating conversation about James Pearson's groundbreaking trad climb 'Bon Voyage' (E12) and the controversy surrounding climbing grading. Explore Adam Ondra's diverse climbing experiences, maximizing efficiency in climbing, resilience, risk-taking, and reflections on legacy and growth in climbing.

Renowned trad climber James Pearson discusses a 15-year-old controversy, proposing the mythical grade of E12, his journey after meeting his wife Caroline, climbing his first 9a, the importance of grading 'Bon Voyage', his fears about becoming a dad, what kids taught him, and more in this entertaining podcast.