In this discussion, Gerald Butts, former principal secretary to Prime Minister Trudeau, and James Moore, ex-federal cabinet minister under Harper, delve into the complex world of pipeline development in Canada. They highlight historical struggles and the emotional stakes tied to national identity. Legal and cultural tensions complicate approvals, while political opportunism often stifles solutions. Afterward, the conversation shifts to jet fighter procurement, exploring lobbying influences and future military strategies with a focus on evolving technologies like drones.