In this podcast, Wes and Scott interview James Mikrut, Co-founder of Payload CMS. They discuss Payload not just being a CMS, where it fits in the tech stack, why they chose Drizzle, visual editing elements, and the introduction of Payload Cloud. They also explore the need for a 'Rails for JavaScript' solution and managing open-source contributions. The hosts touch on GitHub + AI, the challenges of maintaining MongoDB and Drizzle, and the financial status of the project.