James Butler, a writer specializing in the Grenfell Tower Inquiry, discusses the devastating fire that claimed 72 lives and the systemic failures leading up to that tragedy. He highlights the role of manufacturers in contributing to the disaster, the tragic impact of regulatory neglect, and the ongoing quest for accountability. Butler emphasizes the need for stricter building safety standards and reflects on the ignored voices of residents. This conversation sheds light on the ethical implications and the critical need for reform in housing policies to prevent future tragedies.

Marilynne Robinson, an acclaimed author, argues for the enduring relevance of Genesis as a foundational text of Western culture. Joined by James Butler, they dive into the literary qualities and moral complexities within Genesis. Topics include the intricate narrative of Dina and Shechem, exploring themes of consent and violence. They tackle Joseph's rise to power, revealing ethical dilemmas of revenge and reconciliation. The discussion highlights how Genesis reflects human existence and provides insights into societal structures and individual morality.

James Butler, a contributing editor at the LRB, Rebekah Howes from the University of Winchester, and former Archbishop Rowan Williams dive deep into Gillian Rose’s influential work. They reflect on her philosophical legacies, focusing on how her ideas challenge conventional wisdom. The conversation explores the everyday struggles of ordinary lives, navigating power dynamics in relationships, and the importance of confronting personal and societal suffering. With insights on love, uncertainty, and the transformative power of philosophy, the discussion inspires profound reflection.