James Bopp Jr., the Indiana lawyer behind the Citizens United case, teams up with former Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy, known for his pivotal swing votes. They delve into the strategies that reshaped campaign finance law, exposing the intricate legal maneuvers and historic influences at play. The discussion highlights the profound effects of Citizens United on democratic processes and the rise of dark money in politics. With insights into the ongoing debate on transparency and corporate influence, this conversation uncovers the complexities of modern electoral dynamics.

James Bopp, an attorney and key architect behind Citizens United, discusses the monumental Supreme Court case that reshaped campaign finance in the U.S. He highlights the case's origins and the interplay between anti-abortion activism and political financing. The conversation dives into the rise of dark money in elections, the machinations behind the ruling, and the implications for democracy. Bopp also reflects on the legal strategies that transformed how candidates are funded, showcasing the ongoing battle for transparency in political campaigns.