Zach Lowe and Jalen Williams join to discuss the 2024 NBA Finals, analyzing key matchups like Luka Doncic vs. Jayson Tatum. They debate the importance of championships for player legacies and share insights on defensive strategies. Jalen reflects on his playoff debut and participates in drafting the best TV theme songs.

Jalen Williams of the OKC Thunder joins the podcast to discuss the James Harden trade, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander as a teammate, battling Victor Wembanyama, trash-talking his head coach, and the Team USA experience. He also talks about being under-recruited in high school, his draft experience, and his feelings about Oklahoma City.