Jake Smith, known as The White Buffalo, blends folk, country, and rock with dark, emotional lyrics. In this conversation, he reflects on the healing power of music and how it connects people, especially veterans. He shares his journey from recording with a simple tape deck to finding fame with 'Sons of Anarchy.' The duo discusses navigating the complex music industry, the challenge of blending genres, and the emotional depth in songwriting, especially exploring themes of violence and existential struggles.