Jacob Gerber, pastor of Harvest PCA Church, joins to unravel the complexities of church governance. They dive into Thomas Witherow's principle that church leaders should be chosen by the community. The hosts debate the biblical practice of casting lots for appointments versus modern selection methods. Engaging anecdotes highlight the importance of congregational input and explore the roles of apostles, bishops, and deacons. With humor and theological insight, they tackle the ongoing challenges in navigating church authority and the governance landscape.