Jack El-Hai

Jack El-Hai, historian and author of *The Nazi and the Psychiatrist*, dives into the chilling dynamics between Hermann Göring and psychiatrist Dr. Douglas Kelley during the Nuremberg Trials. He explores Göring's charisma and manipulative tactics to control his legacy, as well as Kelley’s psychological assessments of the defendants. The conversation reveals Göring’s opportunism in court, his death sentence, and the symbolic connection between his suicide and Kelley’s reflections on the nature of guilt and ambition in authoritarian regimes.