In a thought-provoking conversation, journalist Julie Roys and church leadership advocate J.R. Briggs dive into the murky waters where faith and consumerism collide. They discuss the evangelical industrial complex, illustrating how profit motives can distort spiritual truths. The duo explores ethics in ministry, spotlighting plagiarism scandals and accountability issues. They also examine the rise of celebrity culture within churches, critiquing how it prioritizes marketability over genuine character. Ultimately, they call for authenticity and deeper connections in faith communities.