Iván Cepeda, a Colombian Senator and human rights advocate, is joined by lawyer Miguel Ángel del Río, who represents key witnesses against former President Álvaro Uribe. They discuss the unprecedented trial involving serious charges of bribery and fraud. The conversation highlights the courageous testimonies of victims and witnesses, revealing the deep entanglements of politics and crime in Colombia. They also explore the trial's potential to reshape Colombian democracy and the ongoing challenges in seeking justice for powerful figures.

Iván Cepeda, a leftist Senator known for his role in peace negotiations, and José Felix Lafaurie, a key figure of the Colombian right and president of Fedegan, discuss their surprising collaboration in peace efforts. They explore political dynamics and socio-economic challenges in Colombia, emphasizing the necessity of dialogue across ideological divides. Their friendship challenges conventional political boundaries, showcasing a potential path toward a national social pact, while critiquing the shift from serious discourse to spectacle in modern politics.