Elizabeth Strout, a Pulitzer Prize-winning author famous for the Lucy Barton series, joins comedian Isy Suttie for a captivating discussion. They explore the mystical process of character creation, spurred by objects like a ring from her great aunt. Strout reflects on class dynamics and the accompanying shame, and even shares insights from her experiences on the comedy stage. Additionally, they delve into F. Scott Fitzgerald's influence on writing and the spontaneous, instinctual methods that shape the craft of storytelling.

Greg Jenner is joined by Prof Sharon Marcus and comedian Isy Suttie to learn about the actor Sarah Bernhardt, a global icon in the 19th and 20th centuries who died a century ago. Bernhardt was one of the most famous people on the planet, coming from humble beginnings as the daughter of a sex worker to dominate theatreland first in France and then across the Atlantic. Sarah’s life was almost as dramatic as her profession, with a love life that included marrying a soldier who may have inspired Dracula to a decades-long relationship with another woman.Research by Caitlin Rankin-McCabe Written by Emma Nagouse, Emmie Rose Price-Goodfellow and Greg Jenner Produced by Emma Nagouse and Greg Jenner Assistant Producer: Emmie Rose Price-Goodfellow Project Management: Isla Matthews Audio Producer: Steve HankeyYou’re Dead To Me is a production by The Athletic for BBC Radio 4.