Hatem Bazian, a prominent Palestinian scholar at UC Berkeley, and Ismail Patel, founder of Friends of Al-Aqsa, delve into the complexities of pro-Palestinian activism. They reflect on their personal experiences witnessing occupation, the power of protests in fostering solidarity, and the intricate connections between Palestine and other justice movements. The discussion stretches into the colonial legacies in global politics, critiques of Western universities' complicity, and the importance of redefining what success in the movement truly means.