Ira Chaleff, an esteemed author and executive coach, dives into the dynamics of political followership and leadership. He discusses how followers can influence leaders' effectiveness and the importance of courageous followership. Chaleff examines motivations behind support for destructive leaders, drawing insights from historical events like the Holocaust. He also critiques political polarization and emphasizes the need for diverse viewpoints in enacting change. The conversation highlights the crucial role followers play in promoting ethical accountability and curbing tyranny.