Hywel Carver and Suhail Patel discuss developer upskilling and generative AI. They explore: learning journeys, the role of generative AI in upskilling, and the software engineer's changing role with powerful AI technologies. They emphasize learning by doing, the significance of diverse perspectives, and caution against overreliance on generative AI without foundational knowledge. They also discuss the potential impact of generative AI on software engineering growth and the complexities of understanding context.