Hugh Jeffrey, Deputy Secretary of Strategy, Policy, and Industry at the Department of Defence, shares insights into Australia's national defense strategy and the AUKUS initiative. He addresses misconceptions surrounding AUKUS Pillar One and discusses the progress of Pillar Two. Jeffrey emphasizes the importance of independent intelligence and adapting defense strategies to modern threats, particularly in the context of US-China relations. He also highlights the necessity of strategic submarine acquisitions and trilateral cooperation in the Indo-Pacific to enhance national security.

Vice Admiral Mark Hammond, Chief of the Royal Australian Navy, and Hugh Jeffrey, Deputy Secretary at the Department of Defence, delve into the intricate dynamics of the AUKUS alliance. They discuss how China's rapid military expansion influences Australia's defense strategy. The conversation highlights the importance of nuclear-powered submarines and advanced military technology under AUKUS. They also explore the geopolitical implications of maritime dependencies and the significance of naval diplomacy in maintaining regional stability.