Guest Himaja Motheram from Censys discusses building a security program around unknown unknowns. The podcast explores strategies for anticipating, detecting, and responding to unknown unknowns. It emphasizes the importance of executive buy-in, resources, and individual involvement in creating a security culture. The distinction between known unknowns and unknown unknowns is explored, along with the role of technology and human creativity. The shift of security responsibility to the user is discussed, as well as the value of worst-case scenario simulations and relationship-building in cybersecurity.