In this enlightening discussion, Herb Sutter, chair of the ISO C++ standards committee, collaborates with Steve Klabnik, a key figure in the Rust community. They delve into the strengths and weaknesses of Rust and C++, shedding light on C++'s legacy and Rust's modern appeal. The conversation covers performance, memory safety, and error management in both languages. They also explore the historical dynamics that shape their adoption and challenge the community's perceptions, highlighting how Rust provides a safer alternative for contemporary programming tasks.