Helen Garner, one of Australia's most beloved writers, shares her heartfelt journey of connecting with her grandson through football. She explores the beauty of ordinary moments, reflecting on the joys and challenges of grandparenthood. Garner dives into the art of writing, revealing how her experiences shifted her perspective. The emotional depth of football serves as a backdrop for themes of masculinity, community, and the bittersweet nature of growing up. Her narrative weaves humor and poignant reflections about family bonds and the legacy of love.

Award-winning author and journalist Andrew O'Hagan and acclaimed writer Helen Garner discuss the duality of morality and success, explore the proximity between reality and fiction in novels, and share insights into impactful literary works and Australian Rules Football adventures.