Helen Belcher, Managing Director of TransActual, advocates for trans rights and discusses the chilling implications of the Supreme Court ruling that equates sex with biological sex. Aubrey Allegretti, Chief Political Correspondent for The Times, analyzes the Labour government's responses and internal conflicts surrounding trans rights. They dive into the emotional toll on the trans community, the drive for clearer legal frameworks, and the nuanced dialogue needed for safer, more inclusive spaces. The conversation reveals the complexities at the intersection of rights, safety, and identity.